THEI #12

THE HOLLOW EARTH INSIDER
Research Report

WORLD WIDE WEB EDITION
#12
Presents

Unraveling the Secrets
A journal of interconnecting facts

Front Page

'Zines blazed the path that led to the Information Highway.


It's 95 % certain that you came to be reading this report because of my post on the internet at a "tribe" or "group" site such is found at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/. Today you can find a group of world-wide people interested in almost any subject your mind can conjure up on the web. But what about before computers - how was special information spread to interested people?


Before the days of computers and cable television what we call the mainstream media was the only source of information and news available to most of us. If your interests lay outside of the main it was almost impossible to find information about your subject except by spending many hours in the library doing research or buying books from small independent distributors and writers.


However, there was one small group of dedicated folks who filled the need of gathering, cataloguing and passing along occult knowledge or special interest information. These dedicated people, usually working alone or in very small groups, would compile the information they gathered into a newsletter of sorts and mail copies out to their lists of other people with the same interests. The ones who maintained the lists kept their subscribers informed with up-to-date information and passed along the others members contributions. They were actually the first group 'moderators'. The lists were usually compiled one person at a time mainly from word-of-mouth spread by those already receiving the publication to their friends and colleges. Needless to say, most of these lists were very small, and few people actually saw the work. But these small-run publications did have an impact - an impact that goes largely unnoticed.


Take, for instance, the first subject of interest that brought me into working with others in trying to unravel the secrets of our society, the Hollow Earth Theory. Back when I first begin looking into that subject information was almost impossible to find. In fact that was the main reason I started The Hollow Earth Insider Research Report in the early 90's. I felt the information was becoming lost and I wanted to pass along a permanent record of my personal research to other folks who might have an interest in the subject.


Today if you type "Hollow Earth" into your favorite search engine you'll get page after page of information. Yet before the World Wide Web the subject, along with many others, was only kept alive by those little homespun publications. Were it not for these self styled "groups" I feel the root material of much of the information found on the web might not be here.


In those days before computer composition everything was done by hand. Cut and paste was not a simple click of the mouse, it was the real thing. The layout for the publication was achieved with scissors and paste or tape. The main pieces of equipment were a typewriter, and if you were lucky a mimeograph machine. If not . . . you spent a lot of time and money at your local Copy Place or Office Depot. The work was usually done at the kitchen table or down in the basement in the wee hours of the morning after a full days work at a "day job" and on a non-existing budget. These short run publications were works of love as almost all the publishers made little or no money. But the goal was not to make money. The major goal was to compile and pass along the information you gathered. This helped future researchers from having to cover the same ground that had previously been explored.


These specialty publications usually went to a small list of dedicated fans, so they became know as fanzines, or, more popularly, just 'zines. The first fanzine of record, The Comet, was edited by our late friend Raymond A. Palmer beginning in May of 1930 and was devoted to science fiction, or Sci-Fi as it became known. Ray, who created many specialty magazines in the 50s 60s and 70s including the still published Fate magazine was once called "the man who invented flying saucers" by a frustrated Air Force officer. He also promoted the Shaver Mystery and is credited with bringing the Hollow Earth Theory out of the dark closet, so to speak.
In 1972-73 and then again in the mid 80's one such fanzine was compiled and sent out by Mary (Story) Martin. The 'zines name was The Hollow Hassle and it was dedicated to the study of the Hollow Earth Theory and the possibility of subterranean civilizations. Later in this report we'll interview Mary Martin on the eve of the publication of, The Best of The Hollow Earth Hassle in book form.
But, first . . .

NEW News:
Stuff the mainstream press
might not consider as being news worthy.

LATEST NEWS; My Thoughts

8/30/08

It appears to me that the controllers are even using their weather machines to help insure that Obama remains in the sheeples sights as president by taking everyones mind off of the Republican side show convention and putting it on Katrina II. How far ahead to you figure their moves are planned?

Rocket Scientists Say We'll Never Reach the Stars
By Robert Lemos

Many believe that humanity's destiny lies with the stars. Sadly for us, rocket propulsion experts now say we may never even get out of the Solar System.
At a recent conference, rocket scientists from NASA, the U.S. Air Force and academia doused humanity's interstellar dreams in cold reality. The scientists, presenting at the Joint Propulsion Conference in Hartford, Connecticut, analyzed many of the designs for advanced propulsion that others have proposed for interstellar travel. The calculations show that, even using the most theoretical of technologies, reaching the nearest star in a human lifetime is nearly impossible.
In those cases, you are talking about a scale of engineering that you can't even imagine," Paulo Lozano, an assistant professor of aeronautics and astronautics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a conference attendee, said in a recent interview.
The major problem is that propulsion - shooting mass backwards to go forwards - requires large amounts of both time and fuel. For instance . . . [Continue].

Swarms of robots join the army


Excerpts
Intelligent swarms of autonomous robots that look like insects could soon be deployed for military information-gathering and reconnaissance, says David Hambling. . . "In just over five years, the swarms of robots in the British armed forces will outnumber the soldiers." . . . [Continue report].

Artificial Intelligence Might Give Gliders a Lift

A British company is working on an artificial intelligence (AI) system that examines clouds to find areas in the sky where rising air creates the lift that allows unpowered gliders to sustain flight, and powered aircraft to prolong their journeys. [Continue report]

Earthly News

Ocean 'dead zones' becoming global problem
Updated 2:53 p.m. EDT, Thu August 14, 2008



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Like a chronic disease spreading through the body, "dead zones" with too little oxygen for life are expanding in the world's oceans.[Read on].

Spacey Stuff

OK, Hollow Earthers, pay attention now . . .
Strange Clouds at the Edge of Space

When in space, keep an eye on the window. You never know what you might see.
Last month, astronauts on board the International Space Station (ISS) witnessed a beautiful display of noctilucent or "night-shining" clouds. The station was located about 340 km over western Mongolia on July 22nd when the crew snapped this picture. [Continue]

NASA says,'clouds in space'. What do you think?
Just for fun compare this recent 'cloud photo' with this contraversial 'hole-at-the-pole NASA photo I used on one of THEI's 90's fanzine's. The photo was taken from the ESSA 7 satellite on 23/11/1968. ( The 'add-ons' were placed there by hollow-earth artist Max Fyfield who also created THEI's distinctve banner).

Humanity's Crossroads and Extraterrestrials: U.S.
Professor Zecharia Sitchin's Planet X
By Al Smith, Retired Academic Instructor

What is Planet X (PX)? What proof is there that PX exists? What effect is PX having on the Earth? What may happen in the near future? [Read on]

Satellite shooting unneeded says scientist
By Staff Writers
Boston (UPI) Aug 26, 2008

The U.S. Navy's February missile shoot down of a spy satellite was unnecessary, a Harvard scientist and former NASA employee said.
Yousaf Butt filed a Freedom of Information Act request asking for the National Air and Space Agency's re-entry threat analysis from the disabled USA-193 satellite. His conclusions contradict the government's official explanation that the satellite's hydrazine fuel tank posed a health hazard. . . . [Continue Report]

Outside View: Space spy race speeds up
By Andrei Kislyakov
Moscow (UPI) Aug 27, 2008

Replacements are expected soon in the "space spy community." Yet another American Navstar Global Positioning System satellite will be launched into low Earth orbit in the fall.
It might seem an ordinary event, had it not been for this satellite being equipped with a platform for intelligence equipment. A purely navigational GPS has turned into an advanced intelligence system, appropriate for a variety of special tasks. . . . [Continue]

The Continuing Search for Subterranean Secrets

Electric Gravity in an Electric Universe
08/22/08

Excerpt
The fact that we do not understand gravity in this space age should cause alarm. Our cosmology - our view of our situation in the universe - is based on a mystery! The 'big bang' is a monumentally expensive work of fiction. [Report Continues]

Sloshing Inside Earth Changes Protective Magnetic Field
By Jeremy Hsu, Staff Writer
Posted: 18 August 2008 06:35 am ET

Something beneath the surface is changing Earth's protective magnetic field, which may leave satellites and other space assets vulnerable to high-energy radiation. . . [Continue]

"Deros live under every major City in the world". . . Richard Shaver.

The Saturday Strangeness
August 23, 2008

As a child I was always peeping from the stairs at the latest horror movie my mum and dad had hired. One such shocker was the 1972 Brit-flick 'Deathline', also known as 'Raw Meat', which concerned the horrific rumour that a race of cannibals were existing under the streets of London, and their acts of carnage taken out on all manner of victims such as tramps, drunks, city workers and pets. . . . [Read more]

Underwater Unknowns

Weird Los Angeles: Weirdness in the Waters
August 23, 2008

During the UFO waves of the 1940s and '50s a new type of peculiar, possibly extraterrestrial or covert machine was mentioned, and often sighted in the murky oceans of the world. The USO, or Unidentified Submarine Object, just like the flying saucers and mystery airships of before, had begun to cause panic.
Were alien life forms monitoring our shores with their advanced technology and preparing for possible attack, or was the government conducting clandestine operations beneath the surface? Or was another country secretly invading and spying on us? [Continue].

Flying Saucer Reports
Continuing the research of Ray Palmer
The first UFO investigator

UFO hunters head Downunder for evidence
By Matt Cunnigham
August 27, 2008 06:00am

AMERICAN documentary makers are set to descend on the Northern Territory to investigate a spate of UFO sightings.
The History Channel plans to send its team of experts Down Under to shoot an episode of the cable television series UFO Hunters. [Continue].

Alien Artwork - Zo's Artwork.

These pictures are an accumulation of firsthand descriptions, descriptions written in books, TV versions and drawings made by abductees shown in many UFO magazines and books. My Son Matt and I have always thought that nobody is getting their sketches and drawings quite right. We believe one has to know that the face we're all used to seeing on TV UFO Documentaries is not the real creature, in that the face is actually a nano-driven helmet connected to their suits. These militaristic suits and helmets have shapeshifting capabilities. Not magic. All technological.

We believe we have come the closest as to what these creatures really look like. When placing the helmet on their heads it is metallic looking and very smooth....... and looks like a helmet. However, as soon as they place it on it transforms from metal looking to looking like a real face... an alien face. Under this helmet they are even uglier. [Check 'um out]

Big Boys Toys

Draganfly X6 UAV: UFO Thingy Packed With Carbon Fiber, HD/Night Cameras and GPS

The Draganfly series of heli cams have been impressive, but the just announced X6 is freaking amazing. The triple-tipped carbon fiber body has two carbon rotors on each end. The design allows it to move in all directions rapidly, provide enough control to zip around indoors yet resist up to 18 miles per hour of wind. . . . [More]
Watch them fly. [Video].

On-Agan Off-Again Global Warming

Global Temperatures Chart (2500B.C. to 2008 A.D)

Scientist Predicts Ice Age in 10 Years

University of Mexico expert says lack of solar activity to cause
significant cooling that will last over half a century.

As evidence builds of the earth entering a dramatic cooling trend, another scientist has gone public with his conviction that we are about to enter a new ice age, rendering warnings about global warming fraudulent and irrelevant. . . [Continue]

Continuing Polar Watch

Arctic Ice Grows 30 Per Cent In a Year

Predictions of 'ice free' summer for first time in history completely
debunked

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Alarmist scientists who predicted that the North Pole could be 'ice-free' this summer as a result of global warming have been embarrassed after it was revealed that Arctic ice has actually grown by around 30per cent in the year since August 2007.

Back in June, numerous prominent voices in the scientific community expressed fears of a mass melting of the polar ice caps, including David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, who told National Geographic Magazine, 'We're actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history]. . . [Continue].


Eyeballin' the New World Order

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order". . .

article Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in The Wall Street Journal (April 1992).

[Documentation]

Joe Biden's New World Order Speech
Infowars
August 24, 2008

In his speech, "On the Threshold of the New World Order: A Rebirth for the United Nations," Biden called for meddling in the former Soviet Union and China, imposing a "free economy" on these countries - i.e., allowing the international bankers to freely loot and pillage - and expanding NATO and allowing it to operate outside of its territory. [Continue]

ONE-WORLD RELIGION NOW OFFICIALLY BORN!! A SPIRITUAL EQUIVALENT TO THE UNITED NATIONS!

Exerpts

Now, the political United Nations has a spiritual equivalent, a New World Order Religion, called "United Religions". The target date for full implementation is the same year as all other New World Order target date, 2,000 AD. A major development in the coming Kingdom of Antichrist. . . The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!! . . . [Continue]

The United States is A Corporation
or "Don't take it Personal, it's Only Business"
Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 09:39 PM
Last Updated or Revised:
COMPILED AND PRESENTED BY WES PENRE, MAY 13, 2008

Yes, you read the title correctly. We are not living in a country with a government of the people, by the people, for the people, but we are part of a giant Corporation, The United States Corporation, and the President of America is the CEO. We are only the employees. This Corporation, in its turn, is owned by another Corporation, The British Crown.

"Hey, wait a minute! First of all, America is not owned by Great Britain," you may way. "That's what the War of Independence was all about; to free ourselves from British tyranny. We are free from Britain and we have our own Constitution. Our Founding Fathers helped out with that!"
If this is what you think, it is incorrect, and I will tell you why. . . .[Continue]

Looking Back:
Oklahoma City 0n the Day the Patriot Movement Was Nullified.
This is a mindblower! [Youtube]

Education is the Answer: Recommended Reading

The Universal Seduction: Piercing the Veils of Deception
Your Editor is currently reading: Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA by Richard Hoagland and Mike Baba.

Unknown Co-Planetarians

Scientists rebut finding of 'Hobbit' bones
By Staff Writers
Eugene, Ore. (UPI) Aug 28, 2008

A U.S. anthropologist is rebutting claims that fossilized bones found in the Micronesian islands were those of Hobbitlike little people. . . . [More]

100s Of SoCal Bigfoot Sightings Reported Annually
Aug 23, 2008 1:29 pm US/Pacific

LOS ANGELES- More than 100 reports of Sasquatch sightings are made every year in Southern California, and local members of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Association say they are frustrated that a reported Sasquatch capture in Georgia turned out to be yet another man in a monkey suit, it was reported Saturday. . . . [Continue]

Information that's available again:
The Hollow Hassle a Fanzine of Possibilities for Tomorrow and Yesterday

An Exclusive Interview with Mary Martin, editor and publisher of The Hollow Hassle

Mary Martin, with the editorial help of Wm. Michael Mott author of Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures has teamed up with Timothy Beckley of Global Communications to compile the best of her longtime unavailable newsletters into a new book, appropriately titled, The Best of The Hollow Earth Hassle. Once again the information she put together back 'in the good old days' will be available for a whole new generation of readers. But more important than that it will give those who were not there for the great age of fanzines an idea of the look and feel of this no-longer available, but always enjoyable, source of occulted information. As a bonus for skeptics, they can try to find information today that contradicts the information presented back then and destroy the whole ridiculous idea of a Hollow Earth. I wish them luck.

In anticipation of the release of this important piece of history I had a long telephone conversation with Mary Martin. The following is from that interview.

Hi, Mary. Congratulations on getting The Best of the Hollow Earth Hassle put together. I know it took some doing. How did you get involved in the fanzine business to start with?

I started out studying astrology around 1965 or so. I was involved in that a few years. From there, I must have been reading one of Ray Palmer's magazines, or somewhere that advertised, The Smokey God by Willis George Emerson . . . probably Fate magazine.

[Note: Read on line, or download, FREE e-book of The Smokey God].

Anyway, I don't know what made me want to read it because I didn't have a clue about Hollow Earth or Subterranean Civilizations, but I ordered it. And after reading it I was off and running. There was something inside of me that said, "This is a possibility . . . this could be true". From there my research went on to other books and sources of information.

Then around 1971 or so I was receiving the fanzine, Pole Watchers Magazine which contained research about the possibility of a polar shift. It was published by an elderly lady, Dorothy Starr. I wrote her and asked her if she had anyone on her list that was interested in the Hollow Earth Theory. She told me she had one . . . Tom LeVesque.

[Note: Tom LeVesque is better known as TAL by our regular readers and is a long time and valued contributing researcher for this publication. He frequently publishes his research and writings in his own 'place' on THEI, the very popular "TAL Zone". Many more of his research reports can be found other places on the internet besides THEI, such as this report on the Dulce Caverns and Pueblo Mythology].

Continuing with the interview:

So, Dorothy Starr put Tom and me in touch with each other through the mail. He lived in Gardena and I lived in West L.A. Eventually we got to meet in person, which would be about 1972. Our friendship soon developed into a relationship and he moved up to West L.A. with me. Later on we were married and moved to Alhambra. That was in 1973. And from there it was off to Tennessee and running all over the country.

So you guys mutual interest in the Hollow Earth brought you together and you ended up getting married?

Yes. Then in 1972 we decided to publishYe a newsletter on the subject which we named The Hollow Hassle because it was a hassle to find reliable information on the subject.

The original HH was published in 1972 and maybe into early 73. We put out 13 issues, mostly once a month. The information we included wasn't just about Hollow Earth, it was much like your Hollow Earth Insider and included other articles of interest also. Tom would put in things about pyramids and other stuff we felt our readers might be interested in. We really didn't have a large subscription list during the publication of this first Volume, but we enjoyed producing it and supplying interested people the information we were finding.

Was your distribution only to people in the United States or did you also send copies overseas?

Well, we were in touch with Brinsley Le Poer Trench [author of Secret of the Ages: UFOS from Inside Earth] and others in the UK. We were also in touch with the Hollow Earth Society in Austrailia. We also sent some to other people overseas. So I guess we could have said our little 'zine was distributed world wide.

[Note: Secrets of the Ages has long been out of print and is a much sought after book. However, thanks to Global Communications never ending effort to make previously lost or rare information available again, the book is available in its entirety under its reprint title, Finding Lost Atlantis inside the Hollow Earth. The publisher gave this writer the honor of writing the forward for this new edition of the heavily researched and well documented classic by one of the worlds most knowledgeable scholars on the subject. You will find a rare interview with Mr. Trench at 5:23 minutes into this BBC Special TV series, Conspiracies-Hidden Places Part 3 . And, unashamedly stroking myself - if you continue to watch you can find a few words from yours truly at 6:15 minutes and then again just before the ending. Also of interest to note, as the end credits reflect, our good friend TAL was an adviser for this series].

Back to the interview:
So, Mary, How did you find new subscribers? Did you do any advertizing?

Not really, we told Dorothy Starr and she put a small ad in her Pole Watchers magazine. We did two talk shows on the radio with Hilly Rose. At that time he was broadcasting out of the studio at L.A.'s 50,000 power watt station, KFI. His show was heard all over the nation. On the second radio show with Hilly Rose Tom and I were on with Richard Shaver. I think doing that let a lot of people know who we were or whatever. New subscribers came from that exposure.

I remember one very funny thing concerning HH that happened back then. I was working at the post office in Beverly Hills California at that time so we had a P.O. Box in Beverly Hills as our return address on the Hassle. Of course a Beverly Hills address looks very impressive to some people. But, we hadn't even thought of that. We had the box just for the convenience.

Well, when we moved to Alhambra, my son went to his new school and he met this little kid whose family was getting our newsletter, believe it or not. Because of our P.O. Box he believed we produced the Hassle out of a big expensive office in Beverly Hills and he was very impressed. My son brought him to the house and he found out we were working out of the bedroom. Of course there were no computers, just old fashion scissors, the sweet smell of white paste and a pile of newspaper clippings lying around. He was totally disillusioned. You could see it in his face. The HH didn't have an office in Beverly Hills. I guess it lowered the whole Hollow Earth idea a notch in that poor kids mind.

Shortly after that we decided to move to Tennessee so I quit my job at the post office and we shut the newsletter down. Of course we had boxes of unused information to deal with. We did't want to just discard the good information, so we decided to give it to a man who we were corresponding with . . . Michael something or other. He lived somewhere on the central coast of California if my memory is right.

He had put out some Hollow Earth stuff and assured us he was ready to carry the ball by continuing a Hollow Earth newsletter. Then all of a sudden he went exploring in some tunnel or cave. He got down so far, it started to fill up with water and he ran out as fast as he could. The experience freaked him out and he never again wanted anything to do with Hollow Earth. He never used any of the information we had given him and we were never able to get it back. So that was the end of the first publication of The Hollow Hassle. It was Volume 1 and there were 13 issues.

When did you meet Richard Shaver?

Tom and I were traveling around the country. The first time we met Richard Shaver was in 1973 on our way to Gatlinburg Tennessee. We went there because some psychic said we should go there and we found out later that she just told us that because she liked the place. It's a big tourist attraction. We thought it was a psychic thing and I quit my job at the post office, we all piled in my van, and off we went to Gatlinburg. Ha, ha, those were carefree days.

Anyway, on the way there we did stop and see Richard Shaver at his place in Arkansas and had a good time visiting with him and took some pictures. On our way back to California we stopped by to see him again. The first time we were there he looked pretty good. The second time he looked thin and whatever. He didn't look as well. He had just signed a contract with a major motion picture company to be an adviser on a movie about the Shaver Mystery. Shortly after we left he had to go to the hospital with some blocked bowels and he told his wife Dorothy, "I'm not going to make it back". And she said, "Don't be afraid it's not that big of a deal". He told her, "No, the Deros aren't going to let me make my movie. I won't be back".

Shortly after that I received a letter from Dot, Richard's wife. Richard had died. The explanation of his death has never been fully and satisfactorily explained as far as I'm concerned.

[Note: For more on Mary's reaction to Shaver's death see the copy of her letter to me located in the last section of my report on the THEI webpage, Palmer & Shaver Part 2].

I know you started publishing the Hollow Hassle again. How did that come about?

In the early 80's, Tom and I were no longer together, and I was living in Santa Fe N. M. Once again I was working at the post office. I found I had extra time on my hands and was making pretty good money so I decided to start the Hassle up again. I started this run with Volume 2 #1 and published it quarterly. I had the list of subscribers from the first HH, so I sent each of them a complementary copy of the new one to see if they wanted to subscribe. I also exchanged small ads with others. Richard Toronto graciously put an ad in his very popular Shavertron magazine.

Once I started putting it out again people begin picking up on it. People returned who had taken it in the 70's. From there it spread by word of mouth. We also did a lot of exchanges with others for copies of their publications.

I begin put it out in Santa Fe, then I moved up to Colorado and continued to put it out. During that time I had a get together with Bruce Walton, (A Guide to the Inner Earth) [also known as BRANTON author of the Branton Files] Christine Hayes, Paul Kay, a long time subscriber from New York City. We all met in Salt Lake City at Christine Hayes' house. That was the first time I met Bruce in person. He was young then, around 20. Christine puts out as newsletter also, but I think she puts it out under another name. She was channeling. A lot of it had to do with the Hollow Earth.

What did you do about using copy written material? That was always a worry for me when I put THEI together.

I always gave credit of where the information or clipping came from. [When I used something]. When I used information out of Fate magazine I gave credit but I didn't worry about it because Richard Shaver told me that Ray Palmer always put in his magazines that the stories were copy written but they were not.

Were you ever involved in any field work? Checking out tunnels or caves, stuff like that.

Ha, Ha. Almost. It's a weird story. Charles A. Marcoux's wife got in touch with me. He was involved with the investigation of the Blowing Cave near Cushman Arkansas. I had a meeting with him in Albuquerque N.M. Charles was a long time researcher into Hollow Earth, and he had some letters he wanted me to see. According to his information, there were these seven people who went to this cave in Arkansas. They went down far enough till they hit another civilization that wasn't detrimental deros, they were a group of teros - the good guys. [Note: Deros and Teros]. One of the men stayed down there, I think his name was Wight. Anyhow the other six came back up.

Years later they got in touch with Charles Marcoux because they felt this information should be put out because it had been kept secret all that time. Charles got in touch with me because of the newsletter. He felt that he could promote an expedition through my newsletter. Or at least get something going. . . . Research and that. So I put a lot of stuff in my newsletters that I got from him. We had drawings of the cave and the map on how to get there.

Charles was also physic. He could picture something in his mind, maybe a UFO or something then snap a picture and it would show up on the photo even though others around him would have seen nothing in the direction he had pointed the camera. He produced some very strange photography. And this was way before there were computers. He did it as far back as the 40's where he couldn't have used Photoshop or whatever. He was an interesting person. I'm still in touch with his wife.

Anyway, He went to Albuquerque, he lived in Arizona some place, Phoenix I think.

He started out going to Superstition Mountains. He decided he was going to go to Arkansas and go to the Blowing Cave which was suppose to be an entrance to the Subterranean world. I lived in Colorado and I drove down to Albuquerque and met him there. We finally decided that a bunch of us would go to Arkansas and meet him there at a certain time. Then we were all going to go to this cave together. That included me, and if I remember right Bruce Walton was part of it. I can't remember everyone who was supposed to go, but there was a few of us. We all pitched in and bought a lot of equipment and everything we thought we might need for descending into this cave. Charles had gone to this cave many times to take pictures. But he had never gone further than just inside the entrance where he would take pictures of faces in the walls of the cave. You know, like Richard Shaver and his rock drawings? We used a lot of the pictures in my newsletter.

We had all made plans and were anxiously counting the days until time to go which was only two weeks away. Then he and his wife went back to the cave to have another look see or whatever. He and his wife were there when suddenly a swarm of bees appeared out of nowhere and stung him. Then just as suddenly he died. Even thought he wasn't in the best of health he knew how to pace himself. He was very careful and didn't over-do. I honestly think he was stopped from taking all of us into that cave. Everything was going wrong.

Joan O'Connell, editor of New Atlantean Journal had just died, dropped dead in the garage while feeding her dog. No history of past heart problems. Then Gray Barker was going to take over her newsletter and talk about the Hollow Earth and he died three months later. It was just really weird. It got real strange. Just a whole bunch of deaths. It was like anyone who was trying to promote this was dying. I had health problems myself and after a couple of attacks it got really scary. After Charles died we had to cancel the trip of course. It was just really bazaar. But he sure was a thorough researcher. There is a lot of his research and stuff in several of my newsletters.

Wow, interesting. And how long did you publish the Hassle the second time?

Slightly over 5 years. I started with Volume II #1 and continued putting it out every three months until Volume VI #1, when I had to quit because of financial and health reasons. Of course, today, with the computer . . .

I know. You miss it, I know I do. It had a different feel to it than the way we do it today. So after all is said and done. Did you learn anything? What do you come away from it all with?

I guess it's the same thing that was part of the reason I got into it to start with. We know more about outer space than we do what's under our feet, and that's what fascinates me. And after all these years, today, I still think there is a possibility that there are other civilizations living inside our planet.

I started The Hollow Hassle in 1972 and now its 2008, and with all I've learned and studied I'm fascinated by the fact that in my mind, I still can't say for certain that it's all make believe. After reading the Smokey God for the first time all those years ago, I thought "this is real. I know this is true". It was just one of those de-javu type things and nothing I've learned since has ever changed my mind. I still think there is a possibility that the earth is hollow. With me it wasn't something I came to slowly. With me it was immediately.

Looking back now, how do you feel about the time and money you spent composing and distributing the Hollow Hassle?

I loved putting it out. Even if I lost money it didn't matter. If I could have afforded the money to continue putting it out I would probably still be doing it. Even though I know there is no demand for a printed 'zine today . . . I would never had quit, but when you are out of work and each issue cost like $500. 00 to put out and then the money for postage . . . well you know. I only charged 10 bucks a year and that didn't even cover postage and cost. It was always operated at a loss. But making money had nothing to do with it. It was a lot of fun.

Having been there I know exactly what you mean. I guess the biggest fan of our fanzines were those of us who put them out. Thank you for an enjoyable conversation. Now, let me go. I've got a book to order.

[Note: The Hollow Earth Hassle is available at http://www.amazon.com/. ]

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DUCK & COVER - 1951 - PSA - HOW TO SURVIVE A NUCLEAR ATTACK

Too bad the folks in Survival City weren't able to Duck and Cover. I'm sure they would have made it through their attack if they had.

And finally just for fun:
Mighty Mouse - Goons from the Moon

You have been warned!

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